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You’re listening to the Cornwall Cancer Cafe podcast. So this week’s episode I’m at the Health

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and Well-being Innovation Center which is right next to the Royal Cornwall Hospital with Emma,

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say hello. Hello. And we’ve just got this little thank you to a certain funder. Thanks

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to the National Lottery Community Fund for supporting this podcast. So we are talking

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cosmetics this week and Emma, you’ve just had a full cosmetic treatment on your face, haven’t you?

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I have. I’ve just been treated because treat is the first start of treatment. I’ve just been

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treated to an organic oil and balm facial from the lovely Carly who’s here with us today.

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She’ll introduce herself in a moment. I know I’ve jumped the gun. Well, never mind. And

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not just face and on your arm. Oh, yes. Touch therapy, wasn’t it, on my arm with

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some oil. I can’t remember what was in it. Frankincense, I remember, was in it.

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We’ll find out in a bit. Yeah. Yeah. We’ll ask what the secret ingredients were.

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And how do you feel now? Oh, I feel wonderful. My face often burns and is not burning at

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the moment. And although I’m not looking in a mirror, am I less red today? You are less

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red. I’m less red. You’re radiant. I’m radiant. My skin feels like it’s very soft

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and glowing. So, yes, lucky me. And just remind me about why you feel the need to

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have such a treatment. So, yes, of course, I’m having immunotherapy and it’s got many,

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many side effects. And one of the side effects is changes to your skin. And the changes to

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my skin that I’ve noticed have been on my face. I’ve got a bit of this ligo and I’ve

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got red patches on my forehead and on my cheeks and on my chin. So that’s why having

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something like a facial or using particular cosmetics is very interesting because

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treatments such as mine, immunotherapy, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, they do affect

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our skin. So it’s something that it’s good for us to learn about what’s out there.

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What can we use? Okay. So in a second, I’m going to be introducing Carly Dainton,

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who has done the therapy there. But if you want to see that treatment, go to the video part of

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the website and you’ll find the video where we talk about cosmetics and see some of the

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treatments that Emma was having there. So Carly, first of all, tell me about yourself

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and what you do. Okay. So my name’s Carly. I’ve got my little own business called Coastal

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which I run out of my cabin in the heart of Cornwall in Rumford. I’ve been in the beauty

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industry for over 25 years now. So I must be getting a bit older and my passion is to help

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people and that’s with like emotionally through treatments, but also their skin.

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And we ought to emphasize that you are fully qualified.

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I am definitely fully qualified. Yes. Yes. In level three.

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So that what you’re telling us comes from a qualified point of view.

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Yeah. It’s all come from the experience over the years, but obviously, yes,

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I am definitely qualified in level three. So a quick proviso to give everyone,

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every person is different, every cancer is different and everyone’s experience of cancer

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is different. And I suppose that is something that is at the core of what you do.

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Yeah. It’s always personally, I always take a lot of time with everybody that walks through

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the door. It’s important to listen to their own personal journey and because everything is

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different. And as you said, different treatments, there is so many different cancers

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and obviously the skin is the largest organ of the body.

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So it takes a bit of a battering. So we need to nurture ourselves from within,

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but also on the outside. And in advance of having any

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treatments, there is something that every patient really should do.

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Just always check with your consultant before having any treatments. If they’re wellness

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treatments or more medical, you should always double, double check.

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Okay. So I saw Emma put her hand up sort of there.

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Yeah. It was Carly saying that the skin is the biggest organ of the body and my cancer

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is melanoma, which is skin cancer. And I think so many people think skin cancer is just,

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oh, it’s just a little blob on your skin and they just take it off. But because your

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it’s such a large organ, the cancer can spread so quickly. So I just wanted to put a shout out

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there that if anybody suspects they’ve got anything on their skin that looks a bit dodgy,

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it could be melanoma. And if it is melanoma, you want to get that off your skin pronto.

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So please, if you’re worried about anything on your skin, anywhere on your body,

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go and see your GP. That’s the first step. Go and see your GP. If your GP is concerned,

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they will refer you on and that’ll be the start of your journey.

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So just tell me, Carly, about the treatments that you’ve been giving Emma today.

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Yeah. So we gave the lovely Emma a facial, but I really want to focus on the cancer

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touch therapy ritual, which is perfect for even people going through stress or

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PTSD, cancer treatments. It really, it supports and gently stimulates the

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parasympathetic nervous system. And that encourages the body to shift into a state of

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rest, repair and deep calm. It also goes into, you can go into a meditative state.

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So that is when you’re healing. So that isn’t, that’s good for your wellbeing.

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It’s brain led wellness. And also the products that I’m using are sensory. So it’s not just about,

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again, your skin health. It’s about the journey from inside. It’s about that sensory journey,

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which connects with your emotions, which also like can uplift you and calm you,

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which everyone needs. And they smelt so good, didn’t they, Emma?

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They smell incredible. As Carly was applying each one and explaining what they were,

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I could, the aromas, the smells, they just, they just, yeah, they took me away.

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They were very calming. Yeah, the wellbeing side of things. It helps your brain calm down a

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little bit. And as we all know, cancer and treatment is very traumatic. So it just gives

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you that little calmness, the calmness. And I think that’s where you’re going with it,

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yeah. There’s, there’s lots to be said about the power of plants. All of the rich ingredients,

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they’re actually infused with a minimum of 28 days. And that is to go through like the sun

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and the moon pull. So they are macerated, like say if a rosebud is part of the ingredient,

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that is macerated within a base oil over the length of say approximately a month in a window.

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And it’s, it’s, they’re infused by the powers of the sun and the moon,

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and which gives you the most beautiful rich oils, which are then handmade.

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And if anyone wants to see that being done, once again, go to our videos and see the Made

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for Life organics lab where we show someone making some of these organics.

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Yeah, absolutely. And I also feel like I’ve worked alongside these products when they were even

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Spezia back in the day. And they are powerful. I’ve seen it firsthand, I’ve worked with a lot,

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a lot of people that have gone through a cancer journey. Personally, my dad was fighting cancer

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for six years. And watching what radiotherapy did to his skin was, you know, it was horrific.

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And then just using a simple balm, which is 100% organic, is healing, even the people

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and they were like, what are you using? And it was just, you know, a simple, it’s a skin

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self balm with calendula, which again, is the power of plants, which, you know, it works.

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We’ll find out a bit more about your personal journey in a moment. But Emma?

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Yeah, I just wanted to ask a follow on question. So you talked about your dad,

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obviously I’ve had a facial and that was just on my face, but you talked about your dad and

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his radiotherapy. I’d like to bring the subject around to men rather than women. So men also

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have skin issues following all sorts of therapies. It could be anywhere on their body,

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it could be their face, their neck, their hands, their arms, wherever.

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Have you got some recommendations as to what they should do? You know, first steps, maybe there’s

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some balms or things that you would recommend specifically for men? Because obviously for

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women are quite happy with different smells, but I think men are less happy with the flowery

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smells. What would you recommend? Yeah, of course. I think, you know, the world is

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forward and I think now it is more acceptable, 100%, that a man can look after their skin.

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I think with the balms, they’re, you know, even the jars, it’s unisex. A man’s skin is

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thicker than a lady’s. That is just how we’re made in our genetics. But everything that we’ve

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used on you today is unisex. So it will work.

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Here to support you, the Cornwall Cancer Cafe podcast. Share this podcast on your social

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media so others may benefit. I experienced through chemotherapy, my lips have never recovered

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and that’s a very thin part of your skin. So I have noticed changes in my skin and I do

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moisturise a lot more than I used to ever do. But yeah, it’s still a learning curve for a man

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to go through some of this. Yeah, I just think never overcomplicate. This is for ladies as

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well. We’re all busy out there. You know, we’ve got families, we’ve got jobs and also

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sometimes going through even cancer treatments, your life doesn’t stop. You have to keep going.

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I always advise all of my clients, you don’t have to overcomplicate your skincare routine.

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You do not have to sit down a half an hour in the morning at night. These products are

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versatile and you can use them quick and easy. And that is for a man or a woman.

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Okay, yeah, I was just going to touch on things like psoriasis.

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I’ve just had that. Well, okay, so I won’t touch on psoriasis then.

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All my skin will fall off. No, I just wanted to talk about things like psoriasis and itchy skin

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and things like that. So some of these balms can be used to soothe that and improve it.

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Yeah, definitely. One of my favourite products, this is from the Haar, is the Made for Life

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Organic Skin Solve Balm. It is packed full of that powerful anti-inflammatory, healing,

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soothing, calming calendula. Can I just say that there are other products out there which

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are organic, but this is made in Cornwall and this podcast is for Cornwall. So this is an

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important reason to emphasise this. Yeah, I think it is. There is lots out there. I’m

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just speaking from my passion right now. But there is a very interesting fact. So in the UK,

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for a company to put a product out there and market their products,

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legally, they only need 1.75% of an ingredient which is organic to put it out there. So that

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shows you always look at the ingredients. So even if something is saying it’s organic,

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check the ingredients list. I think a lot of people will find it difficult understanding some

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of the information given out as well, won’t they? Yeah, definitely. Marketing is massive. The

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skincare world is a minefield and it is just getting the right advice, I think. Now on TikTok,

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everything is getting plugged to the younger generation and there’s big differences.

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A lot of products that you can just go and get off the shelf are cosmetic, which means that

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only 70% of the ingredients have to be pure in there. So that’s anything that you can pick

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off the shelf. So the other 30% can be perfumes, fillers, it can be anything. So it’s not

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actually treating the skin. So you’ve just got to be careful and there’s lots of things

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where you can educate yourself before getting sucked into the marketing out there.

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So Emma, we were talking with Carly before and we heard something about her life story

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and where some of her passion has come from. I think it’s time to find out a

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bit more about that. Yeah, I think so. I think Carly, we need to hear about your mum and dad.

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Would you mind sharing? No, of course, of course. So bear with me. Yeah, so my dad was

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actually diagnosed with cancer. It was over six years ago. It was tonsil cancer and then he’s

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been in and out of, or he was in and out of chemo, radiotherapy, immunotherapies,

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operation. And that took its toll on him. And then like last year, their mum was

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diagnosed with breast cancer and bowel cancer at the same time. So I’ve been on that journey,

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not personally me having cancer, but I have watched my family go through it. And that’s

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why I’m so passionate about my cancer touch therapy treatments, because I’ve seen it first

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hand. And I think everybody needs to be nurtured and looked after and have that time out,

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because it’s hard. It’s a journey for everybody individually. And, you know,

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we need to look after each other, basically. And you’ve mentioned, Emma, before that

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sometimes you’ve said to yourself, oh, no, why do I need that or something of that nature?

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Why should I go have those sort of treatments and benefit from that sort of support?

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Absolutely. It’s only a little bit of cancer. I don’t deserve this. I don’t deserve any help.

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I don’t deserve any support. Yes, I do. Here’s the actual answer. I need the help.

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I need the support. And because there’s people like Carly out there who want to help

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others who are on a cancer journey, I think we have to accept that it’s a traumatic

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thing to be diagnosed with. It’s a traumatic journey. I think some patients don’t think that

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they deserve help and support, because they belittle their cancer. They don’t think that

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their cancer is important enough. But actually, everybody who’s been diagnosed with cancer has

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been through the trauma of receiving that diagnosis and then the trauma of the treatment

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that they’ve received, whether it’s surgery, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, immunotherapy,

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all sorts of treatments. We’ve all got different cancers. They’re all being treated

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different ways. Everybody deserves help. Everybody deserves treatment. And treatment

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doesn’t necessarily mean with the doctors and nurses. Treatment is about your health and mental

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and physical wellbeing and receiving treatments like the one I’ve had today. I’ve had a lovely

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facial today. And that treats the skin as well as the mind. Absolutely. And the wellbeing around

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it is, thank you very much for doing that. It’s really, it’s made my day. This will set

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me up for a little while now. Thank you. So your thoughts on that?

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Yeah, I think just experiencing different people’s journeys and coming to me is actually

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quite an emotional thing for somebody to have the courage to make that step and actually

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coming in for a treatment. Everyone seems to be trying to hold it together and holding it

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loved ones as well, because it does affect everybody around you. And they become feeling

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helpless. And even the people that are going through the cancer journey end up still looking

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after everybody. So I think it’s important for them to step out and treat themselves.

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Years and years ago, if somebody was going through cancer, they would think,

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oh, I could do with a little treat. They would walk into any spa and they would

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fill in their consultation form. And I think it was, it was like early, I don’t know exactly,

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so I don’t want to quote it wrong, but about 90 something percent of people were turned away

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from the treatment. So that is why this cancer touch therapy has come into place.

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It’s the pioneer for people to allow themselves to have this because even, you know,

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the stigma around walking into a spa, feeling conscious, not feeling your best,

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you might have lost your hair, you’re in a bright reception, it’s not comfortable.

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And then filling out a form to have someone to say, oh, sorry, an awkward conversation,

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can’t treat you, you’ve got cancer. So now we have the opportunity to make sure

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that it’s safe and people can be looked after.

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Emma, you’re nodding away furiously there.

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I am nodding away furiously there because I know that that’s the case. That is the case.

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A lot of therapists are frightened of cancer and they don’t know how to treat people with

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cancer. So education is key as well, isn’t it? There are courses out there for therapists who

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want to specialise in cancer or who want to include cancer touch therapy and other such

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things in their routines to be able to offer these services to people like us.

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Some patients are afraid of the word therapy as well.

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They are. Don’t think of it as therapy, think of it as treatment, but the treat part

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of treatment.

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It’s like a hug, isn’t it? And we use that word a lot.

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Oh, yes, definitely. Hugs all round.

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And Amanda Wynwood, who runs Made for Life Cosmetics Organics,

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she likes to be called Queen of Hugs sometimes.

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No, you can never get past Amanda with the biggest hug ever. She’s an inspiration.

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But there’s a lot to say about a little hug.

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It releases all our lovely endorphins and gives us a boost. So, yeah, get hugging.

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OK, so let’s get some top tips from you. Let’s simplify this down.

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If you’re rushing past someone in the street and they wanted a tip from you,

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what’s the first thing you’d tell them?

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I would cleanse the skin morning and evening with a gentle cleanser

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that will not break down your own pH level.

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So a lot of things are astringent on the skin.

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So we need to get all of this dirt bacteria off the skin.

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Number two.

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Well, this isn’t always everybody’s choice, but you do need an SPF.

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An SPF. Well, do you know what an SPF is?

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Some protection factor. 100% as a melanoma sufferer.

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Yeah, get your SPF on. SPF 50, please.

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Again, minefield. Minefield of SPFs out there.

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There is chemical based. I would say absolutely not.

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I would look for a mineral based SPF with zinc and titanium.

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That will block any rays.

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You want broad spectrum.

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So your nasty little UVA one is the one that comes through windows.

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It comes through clouds.

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So all my clients are like, well, I don’t need my SPF today because it’s raining.

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And I’m like, okay.

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So the SPF comes through clouds.

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It will come through storms.

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And that is the one that goes, penetrates deeper into the skin.

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So the best thing is just to stay in bed with the curtain shut?

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No. No. We need to get to the beach.

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Yeah. You know, there is a lot of, again, it’s everybody’s individual choice,

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but a protection is key.

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That’s my personal thought.

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Final tip three.

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Tip three, let’s hydrate the skin.

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From the inside, we need to be replenishing our bodies from the inside.

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Always from, you know, lots of water each day.

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But let’s moisturize the skin.

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Let’s boost it.

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Let’s nourish it.

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Let’s look fab and glow.

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I’ve had this discussion with mother about hydration.

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She said, it’s got to be water.

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It’s got to be water.

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But I said, oh, come on.

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When we were having hydration during treatments, you know,

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chemotherapy, they gave tea and coffee.

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Surely tea and coffee is hydration.

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Well, again, the old caffeine might wipe away some of the water.

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But yeah, enjoy yourself.

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That’s what I think.

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You’ve got to take a little bit of good with the bad, haven’t you?

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And there’s water in beer, isn’t there?

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And what I’ve heard, yeah, there may be, but no.

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And put your tonic in your gin.

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And get your fruit in your gin.

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Yeah, and some ice.

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There you go.

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There’s some hydration.

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Well, look, Carly, thank you.

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Anything else you want to tell us?

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Oh, what can I tell you?

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Just be very good to yourself.

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Look after your skin from the inside and the out and have fun.

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One more final question from you, maybe?

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No?

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Okay.

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So thank you, Carly, for joining us on the Cornwall Cancer Cafe podcast.

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And I’m sure we’ll get some questions to fire back to you at some point.

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So maybe we’ll chat to you again soon.

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and getting some information that might be useful in their own journey.

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And once again, thank you, Carly.

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No, thank you very much.

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And yeah, if anybody’s got any questions, just send them in and then I’m happy to help.

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And thank you, Emma, for helping me talk about some things which,

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as a man, we’re not very good at.

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Oh, you’re very welcome. And thank you for the facial.

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See you all next week.

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