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You’re listening to the Cornwall Cancer Cafe podcast with me, Matthew, and with me, Emma.
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Thanks to the National Lottery Community Fund for supporting this podcast.
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So this week we are talking about a topic I find fairly challenging, but you’d have thought
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that it’s something that we should have just been going forward. Emma, help me with this.
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We’re gay abandon.
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I’m gay abandon. Yes, well, there you go.
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Positivity, positiveness.
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Positivity is a challenge sometimes. You think it’s just about saying,
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yes, I’m going for it, yay, and everyone high fives and that’s all you need to do,
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but it’s not, is it?
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It’s not. No, sometimes it takes an awful lot of work, doesn’t it?
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It does. So I’ve been thinking about this and asking a few friends about this,
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and we’ve already heard in our series from Rob Stott not so long ago,
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and I asked him what he had to say about this. Have a listen to this.
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It’s the most important thing, it’s positivity. Even when you feel like shite,
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it’s positivity. You can’t allow yourself any negative thoughts to get you into that horrible
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black hole because you’ll be bad.
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That’s what he said there, and I thought, OK, I need a bit more from him on this
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because he is a very positive person, I think a natural positive person,
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from what I can get.
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But also not everybody finds positivity easy,
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and some people aren’t naturally positive, so let’s, yeah.
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Let’s find out a bit more from him.
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OK, positivity, probably one of the hardest things to do when you’re
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in the midst of going through chemo or just actually being told that you’ve got cancer.
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Personally, I try to refuse to let any sort of negative thought come into my head,
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mainly because a negative thought is worse compared to a good thought.
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So I found myself watching Douglas Bader reach for the skies three or four times.
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Two o’clock in the morning watching Eddie Murphy doing stand up and various other stand ups
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that I could find, just something to switch the depression and the gloom and the darkness
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that you can find yourself getting into with chemotherapy.
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So try and just find anything that gives you the slightest hint of enjoyment or a feel good
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factor. Trying to be happy on chemo kind of seems a bit of a double negative because you
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can’t be happy sometimes when you’re having chemo, but you’ve really got to try.
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So just watch things that make you laugh. If there’s videos, there’s comedy sketches,
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anything that will make you smile or laugh or get you out of that dark place just to switch
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you into a mode that’s a little bit more happy.
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Well, you see, the thing is, is that actually he is admitting there he does get
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those dark spells and that depression. And he’s had to work at lifting his moods.
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That’s what he’s been saying there.
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Yeah. And that’s obviously the way he does it by watching stand up and listening to funny
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things. Watching reach for the sky with Douglas Bader.
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Yeah. I don’t know what that’s all about, but I mean, different people find happiness
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and brightness in different areas. You know, me being musical, I’m more likely to listen to
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uplifting. You know, I might dive into my classical music collection and listen to
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something that’s really uplifting. Whereas that might absolutely depress somebody else.
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So it’s finding your happy space, isn’t it? And and abusing it.
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Well, the thing is, is I remember when I was at my worst point through all the treatments
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that I sat on the sofa with mother watching endless Andre Rue concerts.
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Oh, well, there you go. So, yeah, you were, you were.
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And I actually, because I had lots of steroids and stuff, I actually was weeping over some
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of these concerts.
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Oh bless. And I mean, the other thing is when you’re feeling absolutely dreadful,
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you need to find easy things to do, don’t you? And also things that it’s easy to press
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the pause button on in case you need to go and throw up or something.
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Oh, yeah. Well, you know, you can have next to your seat where you’re watching
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Andre Rue or whatever, or stand ups, Eddie Murphy, you can have just a bucket.
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Well, I did. I did. I made sure I had a bucket.
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Anyway, so I’ve been poking around online to find some more advice.
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Actually, I found a really nice piece produced by a counselling service in Singapore,
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sunny Singapore, sunny Singapore, and this service called Can Hope.
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And have a listen to this managing negative thoughts.
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Receiving a cancer diagnosis and undergoing treatment can be major life stresses.
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You may find yourself replaying distressing thoughts in your mind about the past
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or the unknown future. Sometimes you are able to ignore these thoughts with distractions.
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However, there are also times when the negative thoughts persist
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and may cause feelings of helplessness, self-loathing or anger.
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These thoughts, if perpetuated, may even lead to clinical depression.
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Here are some strategies to manage repetitive negative thoughts.
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Identify the source of the negative thoughts.
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We can start by identifying the source of negative thoughts.
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This will enhance our self-awareness,
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and through that we may find clarity and peace within us.
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Speaking to a counsellor is very much encouraged to facilitate this process of self-discovery
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and transforming self-defeating thoughts to life-affirming ones.
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Count your blessings.
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Set apart time daily to count your blessings, no matter how small they are.
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This simple exercise will help you expand your mind and shift your negative perspective.
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Engage in positive self-talk.
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Replace negative thoughts with positive self-talk.
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This could be an empowering statement, mantra or prayer.
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Repeat this to yourself while consciously breathing in with each word
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and exhaling your anxieties.
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Be inspired by cancer survivors.
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Draw strength from inspirational stories of cancer survivors
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who have emerged more resilient and positive.
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Allow these stories to spur you on during your most challenging moments.
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Remind yourself continually that you can survive and thrive.
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Stay in the present moment.
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Stay in the present moment and live your life fully.
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Practice being aware and mindful of your thoughts,
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feelings and experiences through deep breathing and meditation.
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This helps you to embrace your experience,
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become more resilient and less reactive.
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Let go of what you can’t control.
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Identify what you can change
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and let go of everything that is not within your control.
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Worrying may lead to an increase in stress hormones that may impede your recovery.
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Schedule 20 to 30 minutes a day to indulge in your worries
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and free yourself from anxious ruminations at other times.
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For matters within your control,
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write a list of goals and steps to fulfill them.
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View mistakes as learning opportunities.
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The pathway to success is paved with numerous failures.
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Instead of reacting to mistakes with regret or anger,
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perceive them as lessons that will teach you to do things differently and better.
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Reach out to someone you know who is suffering.
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When you feel emotionally ready,
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share your stories with fellow cancer warriors to encourage them.
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You may grow in compassion towards self and others
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when you acknowledge the pain and anxieties of another.
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Seek professional help when you need to.
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Last but not least, it is alright to seek help.
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If you are feeling overwhelmed, such that it affects your daily routines,
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consider speaking to a mental health professional such as a counselor.
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Remember that you’re not in this alone.
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Reach out for help and surround yourself with the right knowledge and support.
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Right, what do you make of that?
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Well, okay, so I felt it was a little patronizing to begin with
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and the music got on my nerves a bit.
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So let’s start with the negatives on that, but it got better.
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The more I, the more she talked, the more I thought, yes, yes, okay, yes.
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I mean, the first thing, you know, identify what it is that’s making you worry.
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But you know, you know, at the end, you know,
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sort of like acknowledge the fact that you may need professional help.
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This is a huge thing that you’re dealing with.
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You can’t deal with it all on your own.
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And some people, it doesn’t manifest straight away,
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the worry and the feelings of I’m out of control.
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Sometimes these feelings manifest after you’ve finished all of your treatment.
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And then suddenly you think, oh, my goodness,
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I’ve been through this huge experience and I haven’t dealt with it properly.
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But yeah, listening to what she said, yeah, it was a little bit annoying,
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but I mean, these things, you know, especially it’s really good
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to listen to this sort of thing with somebody else,
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because you can just take the mick out of it all the way through,
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but actually take the really good points out of it.
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Yes, I think one of the things I was thinking whilst listening to it is
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I found myself to try and lift myself to do positive things.
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So it’s actually rather than trying to think positively is do positive actions.
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So she was talking about helping other people.
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What I tried to do was I did a few fundraisers
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whilst I had little fundraising projects and I ran a Macmillan coffee morning or two.
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And those sort of positive things helped lift me when I was down in the dumps.
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Yeah, and you’ve also got to remember the old phrase,
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be kind to yourself, you know, be nice to yourself.
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I keep getting told that and I’m not very good.
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You saw me being trying to be kind to myself yesterday at the Cove
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when I bought myself an ice cream.
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Yeah, I got there just a little bit too late, didn’t I?
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I missed out on that one.
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I think going through the trauma of having cancer, going through treatment
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and when I say treatment, you know, it doesn’t have to be chemotherapy, radiotherapy, whatever.
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It could be surgery.
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It could be any type of treatment.
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It doesn’t have to be the, you know, the horror stories
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that we all really hope we never have to deal with.
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There’s lots of different types of treatment,
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but we should also we should acknowledge that
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the fact that you’ve had a cancer diagnosis is traumatic
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and you need to be kind to yourself.
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Right, so we have also been talking to people closer to home than Singapore
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and amongst those was Dr Louise Brown, who is a clinical psychologist
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and she works out of the Cove.
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So let’s have a listen to a bit of an interview which I did with her.
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In our service here, we have the message right from
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we have a newly diagnosed online group that we run from the Cove online once a month
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and it’s our very first bit of information that we put out there
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about emotions, dealing with emotions, the fact that emotions are normal.
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We’ve all got them.
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They haven’t died out through our evolution and how they can help us.
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But also that just being positive, often we as human beings,
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we naturally compare ourselves to others because we, you know,
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we need others, don’t we, to survive and, you know,
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babies and young children can’t look after themselves.
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So we attach to our caregivers.
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We need other people around us.
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So it’s really normal that we compare ourselves
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and we have a tendency to compare ourselves negatively.
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When we see others, look at that person on the telly or so-and-so down the road,
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they were always cheerful.
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They never moaned.
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They were always positive.
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And of course, the, you know, the psychological work we do here,
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we do just have to kind of call a spade a spade and allow that person
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to say whatever they need to say.
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Then we find the hope or the positive aspects,
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whatever is again important for that person.
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I found that positive negativity or negative positivity,
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I’m not sure which way to put it yet,
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is I once heard a talk about how negativity was used in a positive way
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in the Apollo moonshot program,
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how engineers had to look for everything that could go wrong
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to make sure things went well.
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And in many ways, through my cancer journey,
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I’ve thought that’s important because if it came down to something
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where I had a symptom or something and I thought,
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oh, no, it’s nothing.
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It’s all going well.
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And I ignored that.
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And it was actually an early sign of relapse or cancer.
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Then that would not be a good thing.
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It’s better to have a positive view,
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but look for the negatives as well so that you can have the best outcome.
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That’s interesting.
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I like that.
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It’s a real balance, isn’t it?
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So again, sometimes when we’re too negative or too positive,
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we’re not looking at the whole picture,
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then we’re at risk of, like you say, missing something or coming crashing down.
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Yeah, the Apollo thing crashing into the moon
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or not being able to come back from Apollo 13.
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Yeah, it’s a risk.
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That’s what we try to help with and be alongside.
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Because again, what we often find in life,
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it’s a bit like with grief sometimes,
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if we don’t feel what we naturally feel,
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the emotions aren’t allowed to come out and just be.
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Our natural inclination as humans is to overthink them
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and kind of try to push them away or not think about them.
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But actually, if we can allow things just to flow and be,
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then it’s information, it’s useful information for us.
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But also, it just means it doesn’t have to come
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kind of knocking at the door again when you’re like,
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oh, I’m getting through this and like,
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oh, why am I now really upset about that?
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We do often support people at the end of treatment
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because obviously we need to get into a certain kind of mode,
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a certain mindset to get through treatment.
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Share this podcast on your social media so others may benefit.
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You were just saying about balance
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at the point where she just mentioned balance.
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Yeah, I did.
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I also wrote down about,
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so she mentioned about comparing ourselves with others
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and I’ve written down the word performance.
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So don’t you think that when you’re trying to
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be super positive and things,
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basically you’re putting on a performance, aren’t you?
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You’re putting on a mask sometimes.
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And that can be very wearing, can’t it?
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Very tiring.
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And we know because we see all these big shot,
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hot shot actors and things and they burn out, don’t they?
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So it’s no wonder that, you know, us as normal human beings…
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With normal emotions, as she was saying.
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Yeah, with normal emotions.
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It’s no wonder we burn out if we’re putting on a performance.
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Yes.
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And I think we’re going to talk a bit about toxic positivity in a bit,
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not quite yet, but she mentioned about how,
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you know, sometimes looking too positively at things
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and I was talking about, you know, Apollo moonshot
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and things like that.
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It can hide what you should be watching for
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and I’m thinking about symptoms, you know, saying,
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oh, it’ll be all right.
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Yeah, don’t worry, it’ll be all right.
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Yeah, yeah, you need to be careful with that, don’t you?
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But it’s the balance, isn’t it?
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So, okay.
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Now, we’ve got a lot of content we recorded the other day
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with David Tucker, who is a consultant hematologist
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at the Royal Coral Hospital
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and there’ll be more from him in upcoming episodes.
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But we did have a chat about the part of positivity
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and how a positive outlook from the patient
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helps the consultant
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and how the consultant helps the patient with all of this
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and how it’s sort of two people working together.
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Yeah, and he spoke so beautifully about it, didn’t he?
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He’s very passionate about what he does.
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So, it was lovely speaking to him,
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but also learning about the man behind the consultant.
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Yes, and as I say, we’ll have more on that to come,
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but let’s have a listen to him first talking about this positivity
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and the consultant’s role in that.
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I think most hematologists would describe themselves as optimists
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because they are often treating difficult diseases
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and they tend to have a sort of eternal optimism
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that they’re going to make things better.
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But positivity, will it depend?
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So, it depends on what you’re aiming for
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and this is why we’ll go back to those three kind of questions
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which we think about in our minds.
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What’s the intended outcome of my treatment?
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Are we looking at cure?
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Are we looking at control or are we looking at comfort?
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And so, you can achieve any one of those
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and still have a positive outlook and a positive mindset
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depending on what you were aiming for in the first place.
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So, it depends on what you’re trying to achieve,
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I think, as to how positive you can be.
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While you talk about from the point of view
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of the consultant or the patient there.
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I think both really.
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So, from a consultant point of view,
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we know that there are some types of cancer that we can’t cure,
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but we can control.
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So, that would be the way that I would frame it in a positive way.
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For some, we might not be able to cure it
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or it might be very late stage or very difficult
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and we can’t control it very well,
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but we can still give really good palliative care
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and we can make sure the patients are comfortable
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and they’re looked after well in their own homes
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or in their own surroundings.
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So, that’s another positive thing,
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but it’s a different type of positivity that.
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So, depending on what you’re trying to achieve,
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you can still be positive, I think.
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But I would nuance that with saying
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our job is not just to be sugarcoat everything.
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We have to be realistic.
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That’s an interesting point
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because I’ve always been from the point of view for myself.
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Positivity is good to a certain extent,
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but I think realism and taking a realistic attitude.
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Because I find that if I wasn’t being realistic,
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I might overlook some things inside my body
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which might help you do your job.
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Yeah, so being honest and being open about uncertainty
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or about prognosis is really important.
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And that’s harder to do than being positive,
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but it’s very important.
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So, making sure that patients know
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what we’re trying to achieve here
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and what are the chances of achieving that
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and what are their potential complications.
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That’s our part of our job as well as being positive.
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You wrote down the word optimism there.
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Yeah, well, you mentioned the word optimism,
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but I was just thinking about the other side of things.
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If a patient comes in
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and they’re not willing to hear their diagnosis,
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so they come in full of positivity.
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And to coin a phrase, you need to burst their bubble.
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They’re in denial.
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Yeah, basically.
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But it sort of fits in with the positivity theme, doesn’t it?
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Because they come in going, oh, I’m going to be fine.
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You’re like, well, actually, it’s not quite that straightforward.
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I don’t know if you can answer this question,
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but does that happen very often?
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Not that often, but it happens often enough
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for us to be able to recognize it.
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In fact, very recently, I had a case like that
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where it was obvious to me that the patient was really ill
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and that they had a really aggressive malignancy,
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but they were convinced that it was infection
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or something else and that everything was going to be okay.
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And it takes time to turn something,
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turn someone around like that.
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You don’t want to lose their,
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you’ve got to establish trust because they often,
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the reason they might be like that
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is because they have fixed views about healthcare
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or treatments and might not want to hear from you.
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So you have to kind of establish a relationship
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sometimes first before you can have those
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difficult conversations.
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But they’re absolutely essential
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to adjust people’s expectations sometimes.
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Yeah, you’re absolutely right.
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Consultants have a tough balancing act really,
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don’t they?
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They do.
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I mean, you can just hear from what he’s just said
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about how compassionate he is,
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but he’s also got to deliver
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some very difficult messages sometimes.
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But on the flip side of it,
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he gets to deliver really good news as well.
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So, you know, I was interested to hear from his side,
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how he dealt with the positivity
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and the negative side
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and also how he delivered to patients.
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So, you know, even though we as patients
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were talking about positivity,
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how we can stay positive,
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we need our consultants
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to stay positive for us as well, don’t we?
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And we do need our friends and family
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to have that element of positivity.
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Although I found some,
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particularly online, you know,
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when people will say things like,
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oh, you got this,
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or just be positive and things like that.
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And that is, they mean well,
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once again, they mean well.
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And people don’t always know
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the best things to say
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and sometimes people are afraid of upsetting you.
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Yeah, yeah, I would say
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anybody that wants to interact with you is,
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yeah, thank you.
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Thank you for interacting with us.
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Yeah, we need that.
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Even if you say things that might grate on us,
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like you’ve got this,
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because actually we don’t got this.
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We’re still learning about it
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and that might grate us at the time.
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But the fact that you’ve made the effort
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to say something to us,
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thank you very much for doing that.
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So, but it leads us on to this whole thing
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about toxic positivity,
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because I don’t actually like the word toxic,
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because I don’t think people mean it to be toxic,
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as we’ve just said.
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But Brittany liked it, didn’t she?
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Toxic, that was Brittany, wasn’t it?
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Yes, Brittany Spears.
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Oh, God, you’re going back there, aren’t you?
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Well, I’m not a spring chicken, you know.
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So toxic positivity is defined as an overgeneralisation
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of an optimistic, happy state,
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no matter what the circumstance,
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and it is often associated with the denial
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of painful emotions,
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even when they are a normal response
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to a traumatic or stressful experience.
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While maintaining a positive mental attitude
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during a cancer diagnosis is a good thing,
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a complete denial of the challenges
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and emotions that arise
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is detrimental to a patient’s overall coping,
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so says this definition.
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Furthermore, the pervasive use of social media
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often reinforces messages
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of what’s called toxic positivity.
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We’ve mentioned about this,
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don’t worry, just stay positive,
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you got this, just focus on the good.
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But there are also things out there
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just to say, well, sort of the good things
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you can say or do, you know, as you said,
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you know, I’m glad I’m seeing you,
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how are you feeling today, really?
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You know, that’s one thing maybe,
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or I’m thinking about you
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and care about how you’re doing,
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and what can I do to support you right now?
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Tell me what would help or just let me be there.
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Yeah, or like, how are you doing today?
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You know, so it’s more focused, isn’t it?
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And there’s more thought behind the comment,
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it’s more personalised, I think.
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Yes, so I think that there is a lot of information
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out there to help people,
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maybe if you’re a friend or family member
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of someone who has a diagnosis
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and you’re not sure how to deal with it,
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we will be doing a special episode on this,
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because you’ve had people asking.
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Yeah, I’ve had a few people come to me and say,
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you know, as friends and family,
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we’d really appreciate a podcast
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looking at things from our side.
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You know, what resources are there for us?
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What things can we say?
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What things can we do?
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What’s a right thing to do?
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What’s a wrong thing to do?
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Well, I think we already know the answer to that.
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There is no real right and wrong thing,
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but it’s something that we can definitely expand on
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and I think do a whole podcast,
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but I think we probably need to get hold of some people
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and have a chat with some people.
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I think a good thing,
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a good starting point is just to have a hug.
481
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Well, yeah, that’s good,
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but obviously that has to be a physical thing, doesn’t it?
483
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And, you know, I’ve got friends up country
484
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that I’m trying to stay in touch with,
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so it’s a bit difficult.
486
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I mean, you can send a virtual hug, can’t you?
487
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Yes, you know, little sort of pointy brackets
488
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and hugs spelt with a Z on the end.
489
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Well, yeah, Gen X, Z, Y, whatever it is.
490
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Okay, so we’re coming to the end of the episode.
491
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Why don’t you just give our hug to people?
492
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Oh, yeah, so big hug from us to you
493
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because when you give a hug, you get a hug.
494
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And I’ve just got to say
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that I’m not a doctor or a psychologist.
496
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I’ve got no specialism.
497
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Have you?
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No, but I seem to be spouting lots of stuff these days,
499
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but no, I’ve got no medical training.
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I’ve got no counseling training.
501
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We’re just people that have lived with cancer.
502
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And that is why it’s been good to have
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Dr. Louise Brown and David Tucker on the program today
504
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because they do have those expertises.
505
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They do, and we’re really grateful
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that they’ve taken time out to speak to us,
507
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so thank you to them.
508
00:28:56.290 –> 00:29:01.070
Okay, so we’ll hear more from Dr. Louise Brown
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and from David Tucker in upcoming episodes.
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And I just want to thank you for listening,
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and please do pass around the message that we’re here.
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Have a look at our website, cancercafe.org.
513
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Go to our Facebook page as well
514
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where you’ll get the latest episodes.
515
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And maybe if you’re going to a support group,
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just have a chat and just, yeah,
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gently point people to the fact that we’re here.
518
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That’s a good idea, do you think?
519
00:29:29.230 –> 00:29:31.410
Yeah, I mean, the people that have listened
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to our podcasts,
521
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I’ve had really positive feedback from them.
522
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So those people that are listening,
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hello, thank you very much,
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but please tell your friends to listen to us.
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We’d like to get our numbers up.
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And we will be talking with you again next week.
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Bye-bye.
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Bye-bye.
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